News Flash: If the lesbian couple had been serious, and really wanted cakes (and not wanted to cause trouble), they could have ordered blank cakes and decorated the cakes themselves. That they didn't is evidence of their ill motives to hurt. :( Contra-wise, the bakers, Sweet Cakes by Melissa, did PLENTY of business with the lesbian couple, previously, proving they did not hate gays or lesbians or homosexuals. PROOF: The final order of the state even admits as much:
http://gordonwatts.com/GayMarriageSuit/SweetCakesFO.pdf
http://gordonWAYNEwatts.com/GayMarriageSuit/SweetCakesFO.pdf
*PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: The Kleins, legally, *do* have a right to refuse service: They didn't refuse to serve GAYS -just a gay function. #BigDifference. - #KnowTheDifference They CAN legally refuse service. PROOF: This would be like a Jewish or Muslim family refusing to serve a "Pig Roast," because Islam and Judaism believe that pork is unclean. In other words the Cake Making family, here, don't hate gays, but it's their religious belief to refuse service on things that go against their religious beliefs. Moreover, bartenders have a right to refuse sale if someone has had too much to drink, AND: convenient store clerks can refuse sales of alcohol or tobacco if someone regardless of age comes in without an I.D. -- Pastors, priests, reverends, etc.. can, likewise, refuse to serve at events that go against their religious beliefs: Since it's based on behaviour, not race, it's not discrimination.
The Klein family, who make cakes here, DO love their gay customers, and in fact, I hear they did LOTS of business with the lesbian couple, even after knowing they were gay. :D
PS: In Argument II of my own brief, I defended gays against mistreatment, so, while I'm a right-wing Conservative Christian, I don't hate gays either: Observe:
"II. Prejudice Against Homosexuals is Wrong......11-14"
http://gordonwatts.com/GayMarriageSuit/14-571_bsac_GordonWayneWatts_REPRINT.pdf
http://gordonWAYNEwatts.com/GayMarriageSuit/14-571_bsac_GordonWayneWatts_REPRINT.pdf
Silver and gold have I none (I'm deep in Credit Card debt, myself, due to MY fight in court to defend BIBLE-based marriage) -- but: in spite of my VERY WEAK finances -->> Here is something to help you win *your* case: since the court could not compel an ACLU lawyer to take *my* case against *their* (liberal) religious beliefs (when I pitched a solution to the court that would preserve the Biblical definition of marriage, while -at the same time -defending gays against some actual mistreatment), likewise, no court could compel *you* to bake a cake against *your* religious beliefs. This is sound case-law, and I suggest you pursue this legal tact. Observe:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2015/03/prweb12608018.htm
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2015/03/prweb12608035.htm
http://gordonwatts.com/GayMarriageSuit/14-571_bsac_GordonWayneWatts.pdf
http://gordonWAYNEwatts.com/GayMarriageSuit/14-571_bsac_GordonWayneWatts.pdf
PS: I do know about law, having nearly won in court on behalf of Terri Schiavo, all by myself - on the merits. (My petition to save Terri Schiavo was not decided on technical issues, as some erroneously claim: it got past the clerk, who rules on technical issues, and was decided by the court, in a 4-3 split decision.) Observe:
[1] In Re: GORDON WAYNE WATTS (as next friend of THERESA MARIE 'TERRI' SCHIAVO), No. SC03-2420 (Fla. Feb.23, 2005), denied 4-3 on rehearing. (Watts got 42.7% of his panel) http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/clerk/dispositions/2005/2/03-2420reh.pdf
[2] In Re: JEB BUSH, GOVERNOR OF FLORIDA, ET AL. v. MICHAEL SCHIAVO, GUARDIAN: THERESA SCHIAVO, No. SC04-925 (Fla. Oct.21, 2004), denied 7-0 on rehearing. (Bush got 0.0% of his panel before the same court) http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/clerk/dispositions/2004/10/04-925reh.pdf
[3] Schiavo ex rel. Schindler v. Schiavo ex rel. Schiavo, 403 F.3d 1223, 2005 WL 648897 (11th Cir. Mar.23, 2005), denied 2-1 on appeal. (Terri Schiavo's own blood family only got 33.3% of their panel on the Federal Appeals level) http://media.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/files/200511556.pdf
Gordon Wayne Watts
Lakeland, Florida (between Tampa & Orlando)
Enough is enough! The Kleins, legally, *do* have a right to refuse service: They didn't refuse to serve GAYS -just a gay function. #BigDifference. - #KnowTheDifference They CAN legally refuse service. PROOF: This would be like a Jewish or Muslim family refusing to serve a "Pig Roast," because Islam and Judaism believe that pork is unclean. In other words the Cake Making family, here, don't hate gays, but it's their religious belief to refuse service on things that go against their religious beliefs. Moreover, bartenders have a right to refuse sale if someone has had too much to drink, AND: convenient store clerks can refuse sales of alcohol or tobacco if someone regardless of age comes in without an I.D. -- Pastors, priests, reverends, etc.. can, likewise, refuse to serve at events that go against their religious beliefs: Since it's based on behaviour, not race, it's not discrimination.
The Klein family, who make cakes here, DO love their gay customers, and in fact, I hear they did LOTS of business with the lesbian couple, even after knowing they were gay. :D
PS: In Argument II of my own brief, I defended gays against mistreatment, so, while I'm a right-wing Conservative Christian, I don't hate gays either: Observe:
"II. Prejudice Against Homosexuals is Wrong......11-14"
http://gordonwatts.com/GayMarriageSuit/14-571_bsac_GordonWayneWatts_REPRINT.pdf
http://gordonWAYNEwatts.com/GayMarriageSuit/14-571_bsac_GordonWayneWatts_REPRINT.pdf
Gordon Wayne Watts
Lakeland, Florida (between Tampa & Orlando)
Collusion and R.I.C.O.!
http://dailysignal.com/2015/06/01/emails-raise-questions-of-bias-in-case-against-bakers-who-denied-service-for-same-sex-wedding/
You need to ask a lawyer about this news article: We are praying for you, Aaron and Melissa, Sweet Cakes by Melissa, and hope our feedback here is encouraging -and actually helpful. Moreover, I hope that those who hate you realise how silly they are -and they they simply stop wasting their time and energy.
What's the Bible say about a homosexual lifestyle? ANSWER: Matthew 5:17 (AMP) in which JESUS says: "17 Do not think that I have come to do away with or undo the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to do away with or undo but to complete and fulfill them." -- Since both Old and New Testament (Particularly Romans chapter 1) forbid homosexual lifestyles, and since Jesus did not overturn these codes, then it's still COLD IN EFFECT. Note: I did not say a gay orientation: An orientation is merely a temptation, not a sin (see Hebrew 4:15), but the lifestyle is distinct from the temptation.
Leviticus 18:22New International Version (NIV)
22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Leviticus 20:13New International Version (NIV)
13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Romans 1:24-27 (NIV)
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
PS: The Bible is true and correct:
http://www.gordonwatts.com/theology/reincarnation.html
http://www.gordonWAYNEwatts.com/theology/reincarnation.html